I apologize for the blabber. I had a really hard time trying to right down what I was thinking, obviously.
Basically what I wanted to know was, what happens if you don't fly your right elbow?
I have read through this thread and know it's somewhere, but what is the "prefered" grip for a tumble? I have always had a very neutral grip, even Manzella neutral. The last year or so it has got a bit stronger on me because I think it helped me square it up and down arch because I've been underplane.
With the tumble, I've been able to use my right arm for once! But at times it has gone left, so I put my grip back to what I used for 10 years (very neutral) and it seems to have eliminated the at times left shot while tumbling!
I think the key to a proper tumble is not so much the position at the top of the backswing.It's where you position the club on the transition before stressing the shaft.The majority of good players will have the club pointing at the ball or outside the ball very quickly regardless of where they have the club at the top.In other words they shallow out or reverse tumble early.If you transition steep then you will need to shallow out(reverse tumble) late which can lead to underplane issues depending on how severe the late reverse tumble is.
The posters here that are having trouble doing the tumble are probably transitioning steep like most amateurs.If you try to tumble into impact you will come OTT and hit pulls and slices.
Reverse tumbling early during the transition is an extremely counter intuitive move.It feels like you are opening up the club and the butt end of the club is pointing up and away rather than down towards the ball.But this sets up a non OTT tumble in my opinion.
Are there any mechanical advantages to being laid off? I've been working really hard on an SD backswing which keeps the clubhead outside of the hands so I don't really need to think about tumbling. But my natural instinct is to lay it off a bit. So do you think it's better to ingrain the SD backswing and not worry about tumbling or is it better to go with my natural tendency and work on my tumble?
With my SD swing I've hit the straightest shots of my life, but on the more than occasional swing where I unconsciously lay it off a bit, I'll hit shanks, which psychologically kill a round for me. When I was a kid I used to lay it off and instinctively tumble it to expose the sweetspot, but it's something I would need to work on now.
Laid off IS a potential shank. Just as across the line is a potential toe hit. LO is club outside to the hands to a fault, and ATL is club too inside hands. I think MOST shanks are hit from laid off.
I can't tumble. Please help...
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Wow, that was quick! Thanks.
Do I tumble too late? The clubhead seem to come too much from inside, no?
No kidding, Lindsey. W-O-W, wulsy, you have such a great golf swing! Phenomenal vertical hand path and lag. I am green with envy right now.
IMO it looks like the way you have the camera angle (off the hands) gives the appearance of an inside path. If the angle was straight on the target line (Ball) then I bet it would look less from the inside. I would not comment on the path via the video, I would comment if you had a Trackman or Flightscope measuring your path. In lieu of that then I would check your average ball flight and if it is desireable then the you do not need to fix the path.