TGM mentioned in golfdigest.com about Mac O'Grady
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David Alford
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tongzilla said:
I believe Mac is highly enamored with Snead's squat down position, but other than that, I wouldn't know. I recall he was pretty critical of TW's swing a few yrs. ago, but he likes Snead's? Go figure...
David Alford
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self-mastery said:
Why? Because of the so called "weak grip" (it wasn't) and the theoretical difficulty in going from an open wrist to a supinated wrist? Forget all of that...
I've discussed the sentiment that Hogan was a physcial freak/genius before & I'd just be repeating myself to go into all of that again.
I not only studied his swing, I studied the man's physical abilitities. Especially when he was an old man still swinging away with a great swing. Technique goes a long way, folks...stop being intimidated!
David Alford
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tongzilla said:
The vast majority of the pros probably are. Not than many guys using right hand hitting models or other upper body power sources.
Which is unfortunate...because there are some fantastic "swings" that don't use lower body power.
It's also unfortunate, because the average Joe golfer, not to mention most Pros, are going to suffer back problems. I don't have the stats, but I'd guess way over half.
David Alford
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Brian Manzella said:
Brian, from my experience, he wants to be the teacher and won't tolerate other teachers or contrary opinions. I suspect you wouldn't be allowed in if you used your real name & even if you got in, he'd kick you (or me) out after
the first or second contrary opinion...
David Alford
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The reason Mac's hands are low and has a lot of waist bend is because he must to use the particular variety of early set that he does...
On the downswing so called "centrifugal force" brings his hands back out. He doesn't have to actively compensate for that...
The swing works...it's just not at the very top of my list & I don't think many would feel very comfortable with it. Early set models aren't as easy as the promotors would have you believe. But, if you do this, that, and the other, all difficulties can be avoided.
Yes, it does take more athletic ability than other models...It also does feel pretty much like a little machine you get yourself into...& I think Mac got very enamored of that.
On the downswing so called "centrifugal force" brings his hands back out. He doesn't have to actively compensate for that...
The swing works...it's just not at the very top of my list & I don't think many would feel very comfortable with it. Early set models aren't as easy as the promotors would have you believe. But, if you do this, that, and the other, all difficulties can be avoided.
Yes, it does take more athletic ability than other models...It also does feel pretty much like a little machine you get yourself into...& I think Mac got very enamored of that.
James Marshall (Hogan1953)
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Mac's hands
I think one of the reasons Mac's hands are so low is that his legs are disproportionately long for his trunk thus the need to bend more from the hips and consequently giving him his low hand look. Here's a link to his address position with a driver.
www.historicgolf.com/page_photo.cfm?photoid=5670
I think one of the reasons Mac's hands are so low is that his legs are disproportionately long for his trunk thus the need to bend more from the hips and consequently giving him his low hand look. Here's a link to his address position with a driver.
www.historicgolf.com/page_photo.cfm?photoid=5670
David Alford
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Hogan1953 said:
No. The best way to do his early set is with the hands low, irregardless of body type.
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tourdeep said:
After watching Tiger in Nike slo-mo for the umpteenth time, Hogan appears to have more X factor than Tiger. However, this is not saying that Tiger has none. Clearly, his low side is moving toward the target prior to the completion of his backswing. Is it Tiger's left knee and/or hip initiating this move?
Mac and the BC Open
For those who may be interested in Mac...he tried, but failed, to qualify yesterday for the BC Open at our local course. He shot 69. The qualifiers shot 65, 66, 66, and 67 (playoff).
Since I am a former student of Mac's, I dropped by on Sunday during his practice round and caught up with him on the 16th hole (he was alone). He was hitting the ball great; however, he was in such a bad mood that on the whole the experience was rather unpleasant. He spent a half hour railing against the infidelities of his former disciplines, including Bennett and Plummer, and also ranted about the PGA, VJ, Seve and others. Unfortunately I wasn't spared the slings and arrows either -- he accused me (falsely) of standing him up on a phone consultation last year and of "invading his space" during his practice round (AFTER the round was completed!) despite the fact that I simply wanted to say hello and he invited me to ride in the cart with him on the 17th and 18th holes.
Mac is so bitter and full of rage that I suspect there is more going on underneath it all than any of us can understand. Issues related to health, finances, family, etc. can weigh us down and make even the most even tempered folks miserable and difficult. I certainly sensed a degree of envy in the success that other well-known instructors have achieved -- those with better interpersonal skills, marketing savvy and follow-through.
Needless to say, after my encounter with Mac on Sunday I decided not to follow him during the qualifier the next day.
Bruce
For those who may be interested in Mac...he tried, but failed, to qualify yesterday for the BC Open at our local course. He shot 69. The qualifiers shot 65, 66, 66, and 67 (playoff).
Since I am a former student of Mac's, I dropped by on Sunday during his practice round and caught up with him on the 16th hole (he was alone). He was hitting the ball great; however, he was in such a bad mood that on the whole the experience was rather unpleasant. He spent a half hour railing against the infidelities of his former disciplines, including Bennett and Plummer, and also ranted about the PGA, VJ, Seve and others. Unfortunately I wasn't spared the slings and arrows either -- he accused me (falsely) of standing him up on a phone consultation last year and of "invading his space" during his practice round (AFTER the round was completed!) despite the fact that I simply wanted to say hello and he invited me to ride in the cart with him on the 17th and 18th holes.
Mac is so bitter and full of rage that I suspect there is more going on underneath it all than any of us can understand. Issues related to health, finances, family, etc. can weigh us down and make even the most even tempered folks miserable and difficult. I certainly sensed a degree of envy in the success that other well-known instructors have achieved -- those with better interpersonal skills, marketing savvy and follow-through.
Needless to say, after my encounter with Mac on Sunday I decided not to follow him during the qualifier the next day.
Bruce
Jared Willerson
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I saw a post that referred to Narccistic Personality Disorder in a thread somewhere...I would say that definately applies to Mac.
birdie_man said:Here's a few of Snead:
http://asafgolf.free.fr/images/golf/swings/snead_profil.jpg
http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/87698/1/3061627
Here's Jodie Mudd (taught by Mac I think):
Here's one of Mac:
Hey nice pics....look familiar...where did you get them?....That's Funny those look like my pics from my V1 Digital Coaching System....Oh yeah that is my line drawing.....Oops....borrowed?...from another site?
birdie_man
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The Return of NAT said:
Ya definitely.
Good pics they are.
Brian Manzella
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The Return of NAT said:
Do you want us to take them down?
Nice work on your part, but, not adding anything to this site.
Your call, nat.
David Alford
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For those who are still interested....WARNING, it' not pleasant, nor is it well written:
Mac O'Grady - The Rise and Fall of A Professional Golf Superstar by Raphael Shapiro. Available via Amazon.
Mac O'Grady - The Rise and Fall of A Professional Golf Superstar by Raphael Shapiro. Available via Amazon.
carolgalleyz
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David Alford said:
Not interested. You'd have to be a groupie to want to read that book. There's really nothing on the golf swing in there, right?
tongzilla
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/14...308081/ref=sr_1_1/104-4594371-8585506?ie=UTF8
Superstar? LOL. He obviously paid someone to write this book!
Superstar? LOL. He obviously paid someone to write this book!
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