The "Dariusz J." Swing Theories Thread

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nwb

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Darius J - just wanted to say how well you have handled and behaved in this thread despite some negativity bordering on rude.

I have benefited from some of your ideas mentioned here and on the other site. Most sports use biokenetic type of research these days to aid athletes perform better. Its a shame you cant do this professionally and have more time to work on and refine your ideas further.

Keep working.

NWB
 

Dariusz J.

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Darius J - just wanted to say how well you have handled and behaved in this thread despite some negativity bordering on rude.

I have benefited from some of your ideas mentioned here and on the other site. Most sports use biokenetic type of research these days to aid athletes perform better. Its a shame you cant do this professionally and have more time to work on and refine your ideas further.

Keep working.

NWB

Thank you. I appreciate your kind words and I wish myself I could do more in this area. It's a fascinating stuff to be able to research it.
And you're dead on - golf is one of the last sport disciplines that practically does not benefit from biomechanics/biokinetics. Unfortunately.

Cheers
 

Brian Manzella

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Often on Sundays, this being one of them, around 8 or 9pm CST, I do a live video talk on UStream that as many as 60 folks have watched live.

It would be FAR BETTER to interview folks like you, "Dariusz J." LIVE and discuss your theories.

All you need is a phone call in, or if you have a webcam/microphone, we can have you on screen as well.
 
Obviously there seems to be lots of interest in biokenetics on this site, this thread alone is well over 6,000 hits, I hope Brian and his team dig into this and make themselves experts in this area also, looking forward to learning more knowledge about the golf swing.
 

ej20

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Darius J - just wanted to say how well you have handled and behaved in this thread despite some negativity bordering on rude.

I have benefited from some of your ideas mentioned here and on the other site. Most sports use biokenetic type of research these days to aid athletes perform better. Its a shame you cant do this professionally and have more time to work on and refine your ideas further.

Keep working.

NWB

Biokenetics will help aid golfers play better but DJ is claiming much bigger things than that.He believes almost any golfer of almost any flexibility can incorporate the EEP move by performing a few fundamental moves.He also claims that such a move will almost automate the swing and almost any golfer can shoot 75 to 85 without much practice and playing time.All this is based on a few golfers that he has claimed to have helped.Hard not to be sceptical.

I admire the hard work he has put into his studies but hard work and dedication does not mean you get it right and beyond question.Homer spent 28 years and 7 editions on his book and the science is still flawed.
 

nwb

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Biokenetics will help aid golfers play better but DJ is claiming much bigger things than that.He believes almost any golfer of almost any flexibility can incorporate the EEP move by performing a few fundamental moves.He also claims that such a move will almost automate the swing and almost any golfer can shoot 75 to 85 without much practice and playing time.All this is based on a few golfers that he has claimed to have helped.Hard not to be sceptical.

I admire the hard work he has put into his studies but hard work and dedication does not mean you get it right and beyond question.Homer spent 28 years and 7 editions on his book and the science is still flawed.

Well as someone myself who cannot get onto the EP for love nor money i know how tough it must be. I am not saying Darius is right or wrong but i always like to read people's theories and see if i can learn something new.
 

ej20

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How does one know if they're on the EEP?

The clubshaft is pointed at or outside of the target line on the downswing very early,by the time the hands are around shoulder height.Sergio is a good example of this.He does it almost too well.Hogan and a host of great ballstrikers display this move also.

The question is can the average player learn this if they don't already do it naturally?
 

Dariusz J.

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Often on Sundays, this being one of them, around 8 or 9pm CST, I do a live video talk on UStream that as many as 60 folks have watched live.

It would be FAR BETTER to interview folks like you, "Dariusz J." LIVE and discuss your theories.

All you need is a phone call in, or if you have a webcam/microphone, we can have you on screen as well.

No probs, as I said, I am at full disposal, Brian. I never used to escape from anything when I believe in something. I have only three doubts:
- if my spoken English is good enough;
- if there are no more important issues in your show than an "interview" with me, especially that I doubt I am able to surprise you and your studenta and site members;
- if my equipment is not too old enough for such a live stream.

:confused:

Cheers



[...]he has not put up any pics,videos or drawings to explain his theories.That's what Hogan did.

As said before I simply do not know how I can upload the pics or diagrammes here on this forum. However, I quoted the link to my small forum that contains a lot of visualizations earlier in the thread each time I thought it may be useful:

biokineticgolfswing.forom.pl • Index page

...and there is my YT channel for those interested in vids:

YouTube - h1e2x3's Channel

Cheers

P.S. And the answer to your question "can the average player learn this if they don't already do it naturally? " is YES.
 

Dariusz J.

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Often on Sundays, this being one of them, around 8 or 9pm CST, I do a live video talk on UStream that as many as 60 folks have watched live.

It would be FAR BETTER to interview folks like you, "Dariusz J." LIVE and discuss your theories.

All you need is a phone call in, or if you have a webcam/microphone, we can have you on screen as well.

No probs, as I said, I am at full disposal, Brian. I never used to escape from anything when I believe in something. I have only three doubts:
- if my spoken English is good enough;
- if there are no more important issues in your show than an "interview" with me, especially that I doubt I am able to surprise you and your students and site members - much has been already touched in this thread;
- if my equipment is not too old enough for such a live stream.

:confused:

Cheers



[...]he has not put up any pics,videos or drawings to explain his theories.That's what Hogan did.

As said before I simply do not know how I can upload the pics or diagrammes here on this forum. However, I quoted the link to my small forum that contains a lot of visualizations earlier in the thread each time I thought it may be useful:

http://www.biokineticgolfswing.forom.pl/

...and there is my YT channel for those interested in vids:

YouTube - h1e2x3's Channel

Cheers

P.S. And the answer to your question "can the average player learn this if they don't already do it naturally? " is YES.
 
DJ should have just posted his intro from his site:

My theory is based on searching for the automatic golf swing motion in that all depends on a human body limitations rather than possibilities. Let me explain shortly why - in order to make a movement automatic there must not be any free capability left in a specific motion, otherwise timing issues come along. It also was not my ambition to write another "Yellow Book" because I am of the opinion that it is not necessary at all to move on such detailed levels of abstraction. Lastly, it was also not my ambition to try to find various secrets of the greatest golfers or to describe properly positions and imperatives since there are much better experts than myself that can do it much better.
However, I feel a tiny smell of pioneer job in my work since I am not aware of any specific book or publication that deals with The Big Picture of biokinetics and biomechanics. If I fail to do it correctly or flawlessly, what is very probable, I would not be disappointed since my work can be, at least, a starting point for future delelopment of the matter. I and only me am responsible for what is written here in my all posts, unless stated otherwise - I want to underline this strongly. In case of any personal doubts, all what is recommended here by myself should be consulted with a medical doctor prior to any application.

The role of biokinetics is crucial in any aspect of the movement while human body or its parts are involved. I do not want to go into such details as the work of nerves, muscles, ligaments or flexors mainly because my medical knowledge is not sufficient as well as I am of the opinion that it is really not necessary when one needs to see The Big Picture. In fact, it would darken the picture.
Nevertheless, this essay would be completely useless if there is no medical knowledge involved. Pure physics describes simple machines precisely well, however, a human body is an extremely complex "machine". That is why, I spent a lot of time studying such aspects of anatomy as e.g. kinesiology, arthrology, ophtalmology, orthopaedics, etc. and exchanging many thoughts with specialists. The language I use in the articles is a simple one so that the "big picture" is not unnecessarily darkened again.

First, we have to be aware what in our bodies is responsible for movements - there are three main parts of it:
- human skeleton (which is a passive base);
- ligaments (which are the links between the passive base and active elements);
- muscles (which are active motoric elements).
The above parts create a very complicated system based on levers thanks to that we, humans, are able to change the location of the whole body, change the location of various body parts in relation to others, maintain the stability and react with counterbalancing.

In short, our bodies are equipped with main body (thorax+abdomen) and distal parts of the body (neck+head, arms, legs). The fact that there are distal parts in our body is crucial for our movability, yet it brings timing issues into consideration. If, theoretically, human body consists of only main body, there would be no possibility of independent movements of any parts of the body - imagine e.g. a turning regular polyhedron.
However, when such a regular polyhedron is equipped with distal parts, the whole situation changes diametrally. Moreover, we are equipped with distal parts that, additionally, are equipped with joints (that enable considerably bigger variety of movement directions). More possible directions of movement mean more problems in coordination of the whole body movement, especailly taking into account that all distal parts tend to act independently (due to the specifics of the nervous system and our brain activity). We must not also forget that the role of two of the distal parts of our bodies, i.e. legs, is mainly to support our body and allowing to be in a vertical position.

Golf swing motion is an example of a relatively simple motion since the movements of all distal parts of our bodies can be subdued to the main body movement since the directional orientation of all the motions are practicaly the same. The only one big change of orientation may happen during transition when the upper body motion is different to the lower body one, however, let us not deal with it now. The whole trick is to subdue them in such a way that allows us to generate power to a satisfactory and necessary degree what is sort of a vicious circle as it appears.

In next subarticles of this article category, I will try to describe the biokinetic rules of all three distal sections of our bodies in a golf swing, mainly taking into account the minimalization of the timing issues that influences the coordination of the whole movement as well as describing alongsidely similarities and differences between model ballstrikers.

Less timing issues = less small thoughts and concepts = more coordinated motion = more repeatability and consistency - this is the motto of all the category of my articles belonging to this whole subject presented in detail in parts.
 
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