Kevin Shields
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Im not thanking you or hating you. Weird.
Im just wondering if you know so much why haven't you started a website to pass along information instead of hijacking these threads.
The Release w/Brian Manzella & Michael Jacobs
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Im not thanking you or hating you. Weird.
Im just wondering if you know so much why haven't you started a website to pass along information instead of hijacking these threads.
Brian Manzella
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Seriously?
Almost every modern tour player does it on pitch shots as well.
Oh, well.....
The back view of Rory says it all, does't it?
Yup.
I mean, it is soooooooo obvious.
Funny, EVERYBODY knew this stuff, huh???
Gee.
drewyallop
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Of course I am sceptical. How many swing revelations have stood the test of time?
But.
I went to the backyard today with a 5 iron and simply extended my right arm at the top of the down swing and supported the centripetal force with what felt like an automatic, no thought pivot. The clubhead acceleration was something completely beyond my normal experience. And it felt natural and, well, athletically right. No trying to hit positions. Just let it fly.
This is not the end of the story. More work needs to be done. But the Manzella SD pattern gave me the key to getting the right elbow high, a prerequisite I believe to the out move at the top. And the toss is really is a pretty good description of what you need to feel (not too sure about the javelin throw though). And last, in my lesson Brian gave me the key to throwing the drunk off. In other words the journey with Manzella has somehow prepared me for this swing.
Best of all, at 65, my body cannot take a lot of abuse from things like twistaway, starting the pivot at the end of the back swing, extreme pivot back, late release and so on. I have worked a lot on strengthing the the body parts involved but at my age there is a limit. I sense this swing is going to keep me in the game, pain free, for another 10 years at least.
Really can we thank Brian, Mike and their associates enough for having the wisdom and humility to radically change so much of their teaching when the facts require.
Amazing!
Drew
But.
I went to the backyard today with a 5 iron and simply extended my right arm at the top of the down swing and supported the centripetal force with what felt like an automatic, no thought pivot. The clubhead acceleration was something completely beyond my normal experience. And it felt natural and, well, athletically right. No trying to hit positions. Just let it fly.
This is not the end of the story. More work needs to be done. But the Manzella SD pattern gave me the key to getting the right elbow high, a prerequisite I believe to the out move at the top. And the toss is really is a pretty good description of what you need to feel (not too sure about the javelin throw though). And last, in my lesson Brian gave me the key to throwing the drunk off. In other words the journey with Manzella has somehow prepared me for this swing.
Best of all, at 65, my body cannot take a lot of abuse from things like twistaway, starting the pivot at the end of the back swing, extreme pivot back, late release and so on. I have worked a lot on strengthing the the body parts involved but at my age there is a limit. I sense this swing is going to keep me in the game, pain free, for another 10 years at least.
Really can we thank Brian, Mike and their associates enough for having the wisdom and humility to radically change so much of their teaching when the facts require.
Amazing!
Drew
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drewyallop
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Todd,
Does closing the gap between the clubface and the ball as quickly as you can imply that the aiming point is the ball and and the thing aimed the sweetspot? If that is so, selecting a fixed aiming point for the hands is not necessary. Your body will know what to do with the hands to get the object to the target.
Drew
drewyallop
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And a package as big as Alaska.
drewyallop
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jenhaoyen
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life. I'm glad you guys have this thing figure it out man. Helped a lot of golfers.
Everybody in this thread should donate money so they can have more money to do research.
Matt 4-L
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I tried the aiming point and straight line delivery a few years back and it did not work for me so I chucked that to the side...Almost every tour player plays this release (the release Mike is talking about) with their standard pitch shot. Not to be an arse but I am not sure what the revelation is? Mike said that the club should go away from the target at the start, is this just a product of a weight shift back to the left foot and not a conscious effort with the hands? And if so, what does it look like with the stack and tilt swing, is this component missing in that model?
dschultz6072
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Another super good ball striker I've met locally (drives are still ascending when it hits the fence at 300 yards out on the range) told me he thinks an overlooked and integral part of being a good ball striker is hand strength.
definitely important when it comes to clubhead speed.
mgjordan
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Has anyone ever read Bill Mehlhorns book? One if the drills he recommends are his "circle drills" where you hold the body still and make circles with the golf club in front of you with the hands and arms. When you do this, there is definitely a strong upward pull with the hands and arms which in turn accelerates the clubhead. Mehlhorn also talked about feeling like he tried to put topspin/hit up on all of his shots. He likes to pick the ball with minimal downward strike. He said when he had a tough shot his only thought was to "knock himself out" by bringing his hand upward toward his chin as fast as he could. This is coming from the man that Hogan said was the best striker ever.
His book is one of my favorites and the inward and upward pull is something I've used to play my best golf. I always stopped doing it because you weren't "supposed to" and it broke down the FLW. Why is it so hard to see that Tour players and the best strikers DO NOT do what the majority of the TGM sects teach? It is plainly seen on video.
His book is one of my favorites and the inward and upward pull is something I've used to play my best golf. I always stopped doing it because you weren't "supposed to" and it broke down the FLW. Why is it so hard to see that Tour players and the best strikers DO NOT do what the majority of the TGM sects teach? It is plainly seen on video.
Brian Manzella
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Truer words were never spoken.
Bad Feels / Good Feels
So far, the main things I've gotten out of this thread are that the feels (promoted by some TGMers?) of forcing your hands ahead of the ball and hitting down on the ball with extended arms are counterproductive. Great. I totally buy that. I'm with you 100% there.
So now I know what I'm not supposed to do. However, I have very little concept of what feels / exaggerations I should be using instead. That is rather frustrating. With this thread at 338 posts and counting, I would hope I would have gotten there by now.
So far, the main things I've gotten out of this thread are that the feels (promoted by some TGMers?) of forcing your hands ahead of the ball and hitting down on the ball with extended arms are counterproductive. Great. I totally buy that. I'm with you 100% there.
So now I know what I'm not supposed to do. However, I have very little concept of what feels / exaggerations I should be using instead. That is rather frustrating. With this thread at 338 posts and counting, I would hope I would have gotten there by now.
Brian Manzella
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No it is not.
But lots of folks taught pieces/parts.
Jim Flick, Ernest Jones, and 100's of folks.
But pretty much all of them taught other stuff that was MILES from what we are saying.
Brian Manzella
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Lifter;202126 So now I know what I'm [I said:
THIS THREAD IS NOT AN INSTRUCTION ARTICLE.
THE VIDEOS ARE NOT INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEOS.
I am working on a new video and MJ is as well.
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