Just a few thoughts for clarification as my understanding continues to evolve.
2- Not sure flicking and flipping have been defined will enough for me and not sure how you would "flick" without violating number (Flicking’ is good, ‘Flipping’ is not good into and through Impact)
A "flick" is the DELIBERATE straightening of the right wrist that RESULTS in a perfectly lined-up club at impact, increase speed, and decreased angle of attack. It also REQUIRES less around-ward pivoting.
A flip is the PREMATURE straightening of the right wrist that RESULTS in a backward leaning shaft at impact.
I would surmise that further the shaft is from Normal (vertical) at Impact (forward leaning) the less a ‘Flick’ will have an effect, at least a positive effect.
I DON’T like the ‘Deliberate’ concept and to be honest my concern on the Flick is that is it is a precise TIMING action. To me as an average golfer, the less I have to develop Timing actions in my sequence the higher probability is that I can have a consistent, predictable, repeatable golf stroke with good results. Let the Pros who life if golf develop and maintain the precise Timing, I want a golf stroke that is consistent, predictable, repeatable.
6. I personally don't believe in number 6 and the only relevance in the thread for me would be if you considered force across the shaft as coming only from handle dragging through the release, then it might have some relevance in that context. However, there is more than one way to create force across the shaft. (Applying or Creating Force across the shaft is not good)
My thought was in regard to Handle Dragging and Flipping. To be honest the ‘Force(s)’ aspect of these discussions leaves me a bit wondering. Since I can’t see them, according to much of what is posted I can’t feel them or if I do I will misinterpret them, I probably need to step back and evaluate this when I get a better understanding.
7 is probably the most unclear and in need of the most elaboration. (Lag if natural is good, Lag if forced/manipulated is not good)
Forced or Manipulated Lag IMO is when you make a conscientious effort, which for me translates into ‘Tension’, in the arms, in the wrists, in the hands/fingers. For example: trying to hold off the Release by freezing the wrists in the full golf stroke into the follow through. Now I do in fact use that technique of holding for small strokes, putting and chipping. I find that this simplifies the stroke, allowing for more control and consistency and maxing out club head speed is not factor.
Natural is probably not a good descriptive term but for me it works.
3- that's a dicey one - in the context of the 3rd person perspective - camera, I'm good with it, in the context of 1st person perspective - not necessarily a big fan. (‘Up and In’ is good, ‘Down and Out’ is not good into and through Impact (Coupling Point path))
‘Dicey’ is a good description. I understand the concept, the fact this is a monitoring point, but I really am trying to grasp how the rotations, the set up, and alignments through out the individual golf strokes impact the ‘Up and In’.
Also I am not ready to totally write off the ‘Down and Out’ in the golf stroke. Such as the Lag being held in certain conditions, I am thinking there are times the ‘Down and Out’ would be of value in the golf stroke.
5- 3rd person perspective i.e. camera - no problem I would agree, 1st person perspective - probably not as big of fan - you'd need to be careful. Sports - but let's just talk about golf instruction hasn't reached a level yet where anyone is clearly differentiating between different perspectives/contexts. There is no distinction between see, feel and do - of course the smarter ones will pick up on this and it's only a matter of 100 years or so and the masses will be clearly making those distinctions in swing discussions. Brian's probably the kind of guy that'll see it and move more in that direction. (Hands leading into impact, doesn’t make you a Handle Dragger in of itself)
The point here was that my take was just looking at or actually doing, ‘Hands leading into impact’, did not make you a Handle Dragger.
The Handle Dragger definition has been getting a lot of attention and what I would label as the layman’s definition for Handle Dragger is not at all clear. Hard to see a force, hard to be perpendicular to the swing plane for a FOV and with out some technology difficult to just glance at it and pin a label, HANDLE DRAGGER.
At this time, for me, I don’t believe that a list of traits exist that a golfer without technology and science can accurate identify a Handle Dragger. Even with a list of traits probably the best that can be done is to identify a golfer exhibiting traits of a Handle Dragger.
I am still learning.
