The Release w/Brian Manzella & Michael Jacobs

[Todd Dugan]

Nah. It's what you think, not what you physically do. If your students benefit - OK. Placebo effect. If shoulder joints were close to each other and don't need hard structure fragments (clavicles and sternum) to cooperate to function simultaneously - perhaps, yes. But the anatomical reality is different. Shoulder joints are apart, most distal parts are together. Your version would suit geometry but not anatomical reality of a human.
Do an experiment - draw a line FO during downswing covering your lead shoulder. You can't cheat anatomy or physics.

Cheers

O.K., I will concede that you know a lot more about human biomachanics than me......................but, if I stand still, and only swing my left arm back and forth, in-plane, then the low point of my left hand travel is in-line with the left shoulder joint, the axis of the arm swing. Now if I attach my right hand to my left, I can STILL make my left hand swing down to the SAME low point, IF I straighten my right arm enough to allow it. Same low point, same axis, no?

Now does this mean I think that with this arm action that the low point of the left hand arc will be in-line with the left shoulder in an ACTUAL golf swing? HELL, NO! Because there is another whole system of rotation moving the hands on their plane.........the turn of the shoulders............for which the axis is the upper sternum.

I think I've boiled this thing down pretty good..... The low point of the hand arc will occur in-line with upper sternum UNLESS the left arm is allowed to continue swinging down, RELATIVE TO THE BODY, NOT THE GROUND, past the the point where the hands become in-line with the upper sternum. If the left arm couldn't do that, with obvious participation from the right, then the low point of the hand arc would ALWAYS be in-line with the upper sternum. But its not. In which case, the low point of the hand arc will occur somewhere BETWEEN the upper sternum and left shoulder

 

[EdStraker]

Dariusz;

I think Kevin is referring to Nick Bradley. I haven't read his book, so I don't know what the puck release is.

 

[Lindsey Newman]

You've spent too much time partying and not enough on the practice tee!

You're right! I have been partying at the wake of your swing ideology. When you're finally free, please join me at HDA - Handle Draggers Anonymous. Say your name, admit your addiction and let the healing begin.

 

[faux_maestro]

You're right! I have been partying at the wake of your swing ideology. When you're finally free, please join me at HDA - Handle Draggers Anonymous. Say your name, admit your addiction and let the healing begin.

Hello. My name is Rob and I'm a handle dragger.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Tomasello didn't talk about pushing the clubhead OUTWARD from the top, he specifically said DOWNWARD then OUTWARD. I have the videos and watched them a bunch.

 

[jbrunk]

Just for clarification: the right elbow straightens (pulling the arrow)? This is easy to see in the mirror with only the right hand on the club, when my left hand joins is isn't so easy to see because I am so inflexible. Should it be as easy as straightening that right elbow?

 

[Brian Manzella]

This is some thread.

Hijacked by folks with horses in the race....



Anyhoo,

Here is a picture of two golfers at different times in their playing careers.

The guy on the left was taught by me, right out of tournament golf. The other has been taught out of this swing for the past 10 years.

OBVIOUSLY, you want to do what Tiger2000 was doing.

Sorry Mike.

 

[Brian Manzella]

THIS VIDEO IS NOT FINISHED YET....many more golfers to add....enjoy


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[Michael Finney]

Michael, Perpendicular a word of the past??

Orthogonal is probably a better term.....sometimes perpendicular can get confusing as in "perpendicular to what"....

 

[willgolfer]

I took this concept to the range today and hit some of the best shots I've hit in awhile. Everything felt free flowing at impact into the follow-through. I didn't have to employ hardly any twistaway from the top of the backswing through impact. It all squared up quite nicely. I was hitting the ball farther as well. Thanks!

 

[footwedge]

I took this concept to the range today and hit some of the best shots I've hit in awhile. Everything felt free flowing at impact into the follow-through. I didn't have to employ hardly any twistaway from the top of the backswing through impact. It all squared up quite nicely. I was hitting the ball farther as well. Thanks!

Was it anything like this Will? Just kidding. I know the lafw and the aiming point are a bit excessive but other than that

Strange golf Swing from our club, another view! - YouTube

 

[footwedge]

Another way to line it upStrange Swing from our Club! - YouTube

 

[dschultz6072]

So can anyone answer my first question about the Speed Whoosh?

 

[willgolfer]

Was it anything like this Will? Just kidding. I know the lafw and the aiming point are a bit excessive but other than that

Strange golf Swing from our club, another view! - YouTube

Was that his Barnum & Bailey swing?

 

[footwedge]

Was that his Barnum & Bailey swing?

More like just Bailey's.

 

[dschultz6072]

The feeling I get when doing this is a VERY wide downswing that FEELS like your swinging UP into impact. All I can say is I didn't want to stop hitting balls. So effortless and pure. Cured a few swing faults too.

How funny. I played with a minor league baseball player a few months ago and he hit the ball a country mile (drove a 343 uphill par 4, but pushed it a bit). He was trying to describe how the mechanics felt and when he hit irons he said you want to feel like you were hitting up on it. I thought he was messing with me.

 

[hp12c]

The "tumble" is caused by the proper AWAY FROM THE TARGET movement of the hands from the top.

If the hands move too much toward the target line, the weight of the club REVERSE TUMBLES the left arm and club.

Got it?[/QUOTe

Would this qualify as hands move away from the target? I watched this awhile back it certainly taught me the club moves away from the target/body and helped me get longer plus Bmans videos of course.

Zuback Lag Drill - YouTube

 

[fmlutz]

Nice work Mike!

Wow. I have been away from the forum for a while and this thread brought me right back in. I love the two videos from Michael- especially the second one. Really cleared some things up for me. I have been down the direct the #3 pressure point at the aim point/ball and it never really worked for me. I ended up shanking quite a few irons because I wanted to get those hands aimed at the target line or aim point. I think the concepts that Michael and Brian are describing here work better. I especially like the part about moving hands away at the top to create a wide arc with the hands. I remember an old Golf Digest article where Davis Love was talking about that being his secret move from the top. He said he liked to feel like he moved the butt of the club away from the target about 6 inches from the top.

I am wondering about moving the handle up and in through impact. It seems to me that if you move the left shoulder up through impact, this should happen. Isn't that is what is happening? I guess moving the hips up or the whole body would work too. Very cool stuff. Keep up the good work!

Mike

 

[footwedge]

Natep that was priceless!

 

[jenhaoyen]

but really, I think Brian knew this long ago. It's just really like in SD "like a toss"