Jeffy, what part of TGM are you referencing in "holding on"?So, you were thinking about "holding on" to angles. Sounds like very power-robbing TGM.
Jeffy, what part of TGM are you referencing in "holding on"?So, you were thinking about "holding on" to angles. Sounds like very power-robbing TGM.
Jeffy, what part of TGM are you referencing in "holding on"?
fronesis-
That's great! Improving is what it's all about. Glad it clicked with you. I never became "sold" on TGM, even though I greatly admired Brian's skill as a teacher, but I must say that I am surprised by how much TGM seems to have hurt players. It is great that Brian and Mike are working hard to reverse the damage. I wish their insights could have such a positive impact on my game, but I have never been a "dragger".
Take care,
Jeff
Jeff.
Obviously, you know that I have no problem doling out some blame to TGM in this release fiasco.
But, it should take NOWHERE NEAR 100% of the blame.
You also seemed to have NOT learned that ANGLES in video DO NOT SHOW the Kinetics.
yes, I've seen it. I just wondered what part of the book, specifically, you were referring to...?Just watch the "midnight video".
Brian, PULLEEEZE! I have no idea what you are talking about. Please, if you can, show me where you think I have stated or implied that "ANGLES in video SHOW the Kinetics".
yes, I've seen it. I just wondered what part of the book, specifically, you were referring to...?
Jeff.
Just asking....
What point have you made on this whole thread that is not in agreement with everything me and Mike have said?
Yep, no doubt they are unbelievably dedicated to learning and teaching. The part that makes it fair for them..... is that they know inside out what they're turning upside down.I wasn't referring to the book (what a mess). I was referring to all these TGM-followers I have seen over the years that had this great looking hands-ahead impact and couldn't break an egg. In the "midnight video", Brian and Mike confessed that they fell into that group. I thought that was very healthy.
Where did they say that lag was bad? I have only read that trying to have extreme lag, via dragging the handle, is bad. It also sounded like the golfer from the midnight thread did not increase lag by trying not to release the wrist angle, but rather by releasing from the top and utilizing the flick release.Don't answer a question with a question.
But since this is your site, and I like you both, I'll answer anyway.
I have stated that I think that "early releasers" on tour could benefit from more lag, and that the "optimized release" for the Midnight Golfer was consistent with this view. I don't remember you guys ever saying that anyone on tour released too early, but I haven't read the whole thread.
I also think that there is a way to create good "extreme lag", as evidenced by the extreme laggers on tour that lead the driving distance stats as well as the ballstriking stats. You guys clearly reject that idea.
I also got the sense from your posts and videos that you and Mike really liked early releasers like Jerry Kelly, Rocco Mediate and the elusive disappearing pro. It was quite a surprise that the optimized release for the Midnight Golfer had significantly more lag. You guys did not point that out.
Where did they say that lag was bad? I have only read that trying to have extreme lag, via dragging the handle, is bad. It also sounded like the golfer from the midnight thread did not increase lag by trying not to release the wrist angle, but rather by releasing from the top and utilizing the flick release.
I wouldn't be so sure that the golfers that you call early releasers on tour are trying to release the club from the top, rather are trying to retain the wrist angle or start down toward the ball to start the downswing instead of the away from the target move Brian and Michael advocate.
The wrist angle you are obsessed with is not the cause, it is the effect.
How would you explain cracking a whip with a 2 handed grip at a point directly in between your feet? Both hands are trying to get the grip end of the club to line up. One must push and one must pull, otherwise one isn't doing it's fair share. Once all the work has been done to generate the speed, the rest is holding on. This is when the clubhead does its own thing.How do you get a free wheeling clubhead with the ying yang on the grip?
I have stated that I think that "early releasers" on tour could benefit from more lag, and that the "optimized release" for the Midnight Golfer was consistent with this view. I don't remember you guys ever saying that anyone on tour released too early, but I haven't read the whole thread.
I also think that there is a way to create good "extreme lag", as evidenced by the extreme laggers on tour that lead the driving distance stats as well as the ballstriking stats. You guys clearly reject that idea.
I also got the sense from your posts and videos that you and Mike really liked early releasers like Jerry Kelly, Rocco Mediate and others.
It was quite a surprise that the optimized release for the Midnight Golfer had significantly more lag. You guys did not point that out.
Where did they say that lag was bad? I have only read that trying to have extreme lag, via dragging the handle, is bad.
The wrist angle you are obsessed with is not the cause, it is the effect.
so basically you are just letting the clubhead fall or release all the way from the top. No effort to lag it or hold it
But here is a red letter point, my brother:
The early releasers might have been TRYING FOR more lag, and the "midnight golfer" not only put force-about-the-coupling-point EARLIER than his regular swing, it may have been earlier than say, Jerry Kelly.
Kinetics vs, Kinematics.
We are saying that.
RED LETTER ITEM.
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How would you explain cracking a whip with a 2 handed grip at a point directly in between your feet? Both hands are trying to get the grip end of the club to line up. One must push and one must pull, otherwise one isn't doing it's fair share. Once all the work has been done to generate the speed, the rest is holding on. This is when the clubhead does its own thing.