2005 Golfing Machine Teaching Summit

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MizunoJoe

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Come on Brian - you're the one(and probably only one) who knows. And I'd be willing to bet that your book will address it.
 
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quote:Originally posted by bantamben1

i agree with nonatgm mac never said anything bad about the book to me. another note he has the book practically memorized he constantly quotes things page numbers paragraphs to help me correlate what he is teaching and gives homer credit for knowing certain things as well
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Homer Kelley said, "He [Mac] is a receptive, astute golfer. I believe he is probably the most knowledgeable student I have--equal, if not superior, to Clampett.'
 
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This has been revealed in the Oliver Heuler thread - it's the emphasis on geometry at the expense of physics. But it's worse than that - the way the geometry is presented misleads the student who is without the physics(Ben's student) of an effective golf motion and confuses the student who already had the physics(Clampett). So most without the physics won't find it in the book without also purchasing an AI to go with it. And some with the physics will lose it even though having both book and AI.
 
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Also, consider that due to the nature of Swinging, physics takes precedence over geometry, and vice versa for Hitting. That does NOT mean geometry is not important for the Swinger, or vice versa.

Now, Ben teaches Swinging...
 
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Just a comment: In an interview from September this year, Bobby Clampett said:

"For them to say that The Golfing Machine caused me to go into a golf slump - so to speak - is the same reasoning as telling an author who got knocked off the NY Times best seller list that the alphabet is the cause of him not having a good book. Has nothing to do with it. The Golfing Machine is not a method oriented book. It is a system. And it was the foundation for my game when I was playing well, it was the foundation for my game when I was playing poorly and learning to work with it to improve my game."

I see no reason not to take him on his word.

Regarding the importance of professional instruction, Homer wrote on page 7:

"Preferable with. Advicedly with! Imploredly with!!!"

Try to find three exclamation marks anywhere else in the book. Can it be more clear?

I WILL read the Heuler thread. And you probably did not expect a downhill argumentation anyway. ;)
 
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"I see no reason not to take him on his word."

I don't either! He went to Ballard looking for a way(physics) to make a golf motion.
 
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quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

Also, consider that due to the nature of Swinging, physics takes precedence over geometry, and vice versa for Hitting. That does NOT mean geometry is not important for the Swinger, or vice versa.

Now, Ben teaches Swinging...
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Ben was "trying" to teach the student Swinging. But, he was using the flawed notion of "impact hands", which leads the student to do the "around" motion of the arms, with the arms, instead of with the pivot.
 
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MJ, are you kidding me? Do you have ANY idea what you're talking about when it comes to Clampett and Doyle? I would guess that you are completely in the dark and are going by fifth hand hearsay and conjecture. Give it a rest.
 
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Unless you've been with Ben first hand you have no idea what you are taLking about. I was that student in the video (per se) and after a little bit of confusion it all became perfectly clear. I wish I had met Ben when I was 12 years old instead of 52..
 
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Its quite simple really if you are an East Coast Geometry student of TGM you dont like Ben because you dont understand his true genius. If you have spent some time with him you know better, even though his style is a little different and non comercial. The more you know about G.O.L.F. the more you appreciate Ben Doyle : The Real gOLFING mACHINE
 
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quote:Originally posted by metallion

Just a comment: In an interview from September this year, Bobby Clampett said:

"For them to say that The Golfing Machine caused me to go into a golf slump - so to speak - is the same reasoning as telling an author who got knocked off the NY Times best seller list that the alphabet is the cause of him not having a good book. Has nothing to do with it. The Golfing Machine is not a method oriented book. It is a system. And it was the foundation for my game when I was playing well, it was the foundation for my game when I was playing poorly and learning to work with it to improve my game."

I see no reason not to take him on his word.

Regarding the importance of professional instruction, Homer wrote on page 7:

"Preferable with. Advicedly with! Imploredly with!!!"

Try to find three exclamation marks anywhere else in the book. Can it be more clear?

I WILL read the Heuler thread. And you probably did not expect a downhill argumentation anyway. ;)
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Here is the interview

http://www.chuckevansgolf.com/golf_talk_radio.html

Bobby Clampett kind of laughs at the suggestion that TGM was the cause of his demise of his game. What I have noticed is that it is people that have no real TGM grounding are it's biggest critics[:eek:)].
 
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