BOMBSHELL: New Research from the Manzella Labs!
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i havn't read all this thread, but from what i can tell, its is merely an extrapolation of what we already knew. we knew the club travelled in basically a dead straightline through impact. this lead to the need for the plane line to be directed to the left of the target line, and that meant that the right shoulder had to be on plane with the now open plane line, directed to the left. because of this the body would be more open and less tilted then if tracing a plane line that was along the target line. this aso is affected by the D-plane as the left shoulders up-and-in motion through impact, as well as the up-and-in movement of the hands and the down-and-out direction of the clubhead (relative to the hands and shoulder) creates this "flat-spot". again there are other factors involved that we are mostly knowledgable about, such as the point between the shoulders, as this has an affect on low point, axis tilt and how open your shoulders are.
of course this is all theory, and im sure everyone would realise that telling students to "swing straight" would be poison for almost everyone.
of course this is all theory, and im sure everyone would realise that telling students to "swing straight" would be poison for almost everyone.
birdie_man
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So you can do it? (or know someone personally)
Are there players who do it and those who don't? (fairly direct correlation to skill?)
I haven't read the entire thread, but wanted to mention that there was a couple pages in Michael Hebron's book (something like "the inside moves the outside") that discusses the flat spot. I picked it up this morning just to remember what it said before posting. It basically had to do w/ the fact that there is weight shift and pivot involved in the downswing. Was interesting that he felt this is one reason better players are better...they have a better weight shift and have longer flat spots. Anyways...don't want to say much more as i'm sure I'll mess it up, but curious if anyone had read that and is this the same thing Brian is talking about?
faux_maestro
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Any more info on this? Will this be coming out in project 1.68?
lia41985
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Trevino and Nelson knew! Hogan did too!! So did Moe!!!
And now Brian has a scientific explanation and the instructional genius as to how we all can learn to as well. Well done, sir.
I just realized this was an old thread but I'm wondering if any of this could also be related to what I wrote here: http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfin...-secret-flatter-eventual-sweet-spot-path.html
And now Brian has a scientific explanation and the instructional genius as to how we all can learn to as well. Well done, sir.
I saw it that way, too! I guess I think of it as gyroscopic motion...
That's why I thought Tiger was looking so steep for a while.
I just realized this was an old thread but I'm wondering if any of this could also be related to what I wrote here: http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfin...-secret-flatter-eventual-sweet-spot-path.html
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lia41985
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Professionals i.e. those who are so absurdly sick at this game that they worry about something like spin control.
Billy McKinney
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I don't believe they're saying that the flat spot has to be parallel to the ground, just flat (sustaining the line of compression) through the ball...a constant angle of attack.
Add Allen Doyle and Trevino among the Masters of the STLOC.
Add Allen Doyle and Trevino among the Masters of the STLOC.
I would agree. It seems like the flatter arc is tangent to the ground longer but more curved. And the upright arc is tangent to the ground less but straighter. Is this true?
FLAT implies level, horizontal, so it's not a good word to use if you don't mean horizontal.
Let's assume "flat spot" in this context is being used by Manzella Labs (BTW great expression Brian: your marketing degree shines through every now and again
) to describe a straight line. Brian spoke of about 6-8 inches I believe. If it is indeed not parallel to the ground but simply a straight line, then the useable AoA is in a very restricted zone. Too steep and you have a 4 inch deep divot. So even if it is only a straight line it is still gona be pretty much a horizontal one.
Let's assume "flat spot" in this context is being used by Manzella Labs (BTW great expression Brian: your marketing degree shines through every now and again
) to describe a straight line. Brian spoke of about 6-8 inches I believe. If it is indeed not parallel to the ground but simply a straight line, then the useable AoA is in a very restricted zone. Too steep and you have a 4 inch deep divot. So even if it is only a straight line it is still gona be pretty much a horizontal one.From Brian's original post
so I guess flat means flat and straight means straight. Note he did say "nearly". He also said its not a circle or ellipse, so I guess that rules out any talk of a swing "arc" as well.
He also alluded to 10 reasons why, in a tantalising way that made me think he'd post one of his great lists, but I guess he's saving it for the book (and quite right too). My guess - axis tilt, run up & jump, parametric acceleration are some of them.
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I couldn't do it justice, but check out this from the Manz
From this thread:
www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/14175-whats-science-behind-tour-pitch.html
Todd Dugan
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It has occured to me that the radius of the sweetspot arc can be disturbed by the movement of the centers (hands, left shoulder, sternum). This does not mean that the arc itself is not still in-plane. You could swing in-plane and also directly over a straight line, if your techinique was to "walk" the club through the ball. Neither "circular arc" nor "in-plane" mandate "perfect radius".
But hasn't it already been established that the sweetspot changes direction, both vertically and horizontally, just in the time that the ball is on the clubface, albeit only a few .10ths of a degree? Now we're talking 6 inches of linear movement?
But hasn't it already been established that the sweetspot changes direction, both vertically and horizontally, just in the time that the ball is on the clubface, albeit only a few .10ths of a degree? Now we're talking 6 inches of linear movement?
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