The Release w/Brian Manzella & Michael Jacobs

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Does it make me an absolute moron if I have no idea what the heck is being explained?

It seems like this stuff is important and there are obviously some people with horses in the race that don't like the idea that their horse might be finishing dead last.

But I have no idea if it's important for me.

Is their any real reason for me to understand this new release or is it something that I'll have to have demonstrated in person to grasp?

Call me dense if you must...but this stuff just confuses the heck out of me.
 
Is their any real reason for me to understand this new release or is it something that I'll have to have demonstrated in person to grasp?

Not unless you have learned to "drag the handle" and keep the shaft of the club "in line with the left arm" into the follow through.
 
I took some extra time and mapped out the illustrations on the swing below. I will make some more of these even on the high end players who have more forward lean so we have many samples.

The Yellow Dots in the swing clip are the portion of the golf club where the 2 hands are joined and coupled together. The 'Couple Point' is the key concentration point and the point of maximum interest. If you put your concentration on the right forefinger or the butt of the club you will get inaccurate shapes of reference that will result in disaster. At the GTE in October I will launch the idea and descriptions in full scale.



Michael, Are you going to be going over the coupling point in a little more detail in episode 3? Having trouble getting the feel for it.
 
Not unless you have learned to "drag the handle" and keep the shaft of the club "in line with the left arm" into the follow through.

Hmmmm....I don't THINK I do that. At least not consciously.

Do you have an example of someone that does that? Maybe a YouTube video or something?
 
So...maximum FATS is achieve about halfway down, then force should be applied more along the shaft in a somewhat "off plane" mode, thus providing parametric acceleration in the clubhead, while achieving a square clubface.

Getting warm?
 

but seriously, who hits like that irl?

This is a ridiculous swing, do you see any hall of fame"r" swing like that?

It's a good practice i would say. I hit like that when the wind is blowing really hard, but to hit shots like that, your shots are going to be lower. Just too much down. Especially if you hit a drive like that, it's probably gonna go 50 yards less than your normal swing. Probably 30 yards less if you hit all your irons like that. Not to mention, you are not letting the club work like a club. More like let's stop making the club work like a club.

In the video, the other guy also said "trust me folks, it's really hard to do." Of course! Because you are holding on to all the energy stored. I can't imagine anybody hitting a baseball like that.

This swing makes you feel like the limit is the sky. If the club works like a club, you should feel like the sky is the limit.

I'm not trying to hate or anything, but hte fact that Gregg McHatton said you shouldn't lift the club up, and just go around your body or rotate your right elbow is not optimal for everybody. Everybody has a different swing, I feel like people who tells you there is only one way to swing the club, is not your teacher.

There is no one way to swing the golf club. Whatever works for you, works for you. You will be the one who'll find out. The teaching methods can only let you go so far. Trying different things, it might surprise you.

I took a lesson from Manzella, and I studied for a few weeks. Knowing why he told me to do certain things. Now, I might not do exactly what he told me, because I know what works for me. He did point out some stuff that I didn't realize it before, and that's more than anything you can ever ask for.

What I learned the most in this forum is, you can learn all the method you want, but you as a golfer, need to figure out what is the right swing for you. You don't need to do exactly what your teacher tells you to do. It's your responsibility to tweak the swing that fits for you.

just my 2 cents.
 
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Which reminds me of another thing I have been thinking since this thread started. The problem with being a scientist, or science focussed, especially in a field of active research, is that sooner or later someone is going to prove you at least a little bit wrong. There are no absolutes, just theories that are yet to be disproven. Take for example the pretty relevant laws of motion. Newton had a fair stab at it, but ultimately wasn't really right. Einstein got closer, but no cigar for him either. Stephen Hawking made a lot of sense, but some of his stuff is getting surpassed now. So what hope did a middle of the road engineer without access to high speed video and 3D measurement have. To be honest, for his time he did a pretty good job.

I'm sure I said something similar to this a year ago in my first ever post. Oh well, round we go again then :)

Leon,
Your post above displays a common mistake/perspective in the culture (it's an epistemological issue) today. If your interested in a better understanding - pm me and I can offer some readings that will help. For now, keeping it short - notice the contradiction when you state an ABSOLUTE by saying "There are no absolutes".. Secondly, In regards to the wider issue - Yes, Newton was right - dead on - absolutely - IN THE CONTEXT of his knowledge and this earth, Einstein just subsumed and broadened that knowledge for a wider context and broader scope to take into account space/time issues.
 
I guess you would have to ask them, the better question is if no one does swing like that in real life why teach it?

some people are just stubborn, and are not open to things. Sure those swing might work for somebody, but at the end of the day, you really have to ask for yourself does it work for you?

Just like some people don't believe in UFO or Aliens. Because they are so set to believe that the Earth has existed only 5000 years and no evolution has ever occurred.

Check this out right. Einstein was the prodigy of our era, but he made mistakes as well. It's our responsibility to keep researching and finding what is the truth. He said light speed is the fastest travel in our Universe. It's not true anymore.
You can bend space and travel 1000 times faster than the speed of light.

Another example, scientists state there are only certain numbers of color in our Universe. It's not true!
Just because we, the humans, see those colors, doesn't mean other colors do not exist in another Universe.
That's like saying dogs can only see black and white, and dogs believe that's the only color there are in the whole Universe.

I guess what i'm saying is, you just have to open to things.
A lot of times people like to be a frog in the well. Well guess what, it's better when you come out of the well. This world is full of surprises.
 
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some people are just stubborn, and are not open to things. Sure those swing might work for somebody, but at the end of the day, you really have to ask for yourself does it work for you?

If not, move on.


I'm sure they do work for some that want to bunt it around. The guy hitting in the video doesn't really do that extreme stuff on a full shot, he ends up with a different release and probably lines it up just fine, so real or feel?
 
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I'm sure they do work for some that want to bunt it around. The guy hitting in the video doesn't really do that extreme stuff on a full shot, he ends up full rolling by the looks of it and probably lines it up just fine, so real or feel?
sure you can swing like that. What people dont' realize on this forum is, Brian and MJ really really puts a lot of effort trying to figure out what is right and what is wrong. People take granted and criticize them. I'm not saying Brian and MJ are god or anything like that, but people should appreciate the effort these people are making. T Hey probably think about the swing when they are eating, and sleeping. Although they might be wrong about certain things, it's human to err.

Anyways, I think I'm just trying to vent.
 
I'm sure they do work for some that want to bunt it around. The guy hitting in the video doesn't really do that extreme stuff on a full shot, he ends up full rolling by the looks of it and probably lines it up just fine, so real or feel?

yes, but can you swing like that? In all honesty, I couldn't swing like that in a million years, it just feels so uncomfortable. Maybe for chip shot or pitching shot, I will give you that. That's like saying Bruce Lee punching somebody but holding on to his punch. His 1 inch punch probably wouldn't never been famous.

But yes, if you can swing like that and feel comfortable, go ahead.

Like I mentioned before, it's you who's gonna be comfortable about your swing, not the camera or anybody else.

Not to mention "the ball doesn't know".


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Wow! that hit a nerve, deep breath Jen. I'm on your side...lol. I didn't post up the video as the way to do it, just the opposite. I think you took it the wrong way, did you?
 

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It's all good baby baby.

This is like work for me. People at work kept telling me there is only one way or the highway.

Please, do yourself a favor and open your eyes.


Have no idea what your talking about, my eyes are wide open LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY I AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!
 
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