The Release w/Brian Manzella & Michael Jacobs
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A controversial subject, 2004
The subject thread has the second most Forum replies (388). A quick scan of the thread showed a majority of the same topics being discussed in this thread. A lot of the same strong emotion to certain ideas too.
Interesting that these are the top two threads in terms of reply interest/volume. Just sayin'...
Cheers.
The subject thread has the second most Forum replies (388). A quick scan of the thread showed a majority of the same topics being discussed in this thread. A lot of the same strong emotion to certain ideas too.
Interesting that these are the top two threads in terms of reply interest/volume. Just sayin'...
Cheers.
The coupling point bottoms out in front the right leg and then moves up and in before and during impact (right?). But the clubhead is still moving downward while the coupling point passes in front of the right leg.
In one of Brian's earlier posts on this thread, he wrote that the D Plane is still king. To make the D plane work for the kind of shot you want to hit (draw, straight, cut), do you just adjust your stance and ball position while using the same coupling point path into impact?
In one of Brian's earlier posts on this thread, he wrote that the D Plane is still king. To make the D plane work for the kind of shot you want to hit (draw, straight, cut), do you just adjust your stance and ball position while using the same coupling point path into impact?
Virtuoso
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Wulsy, the sheer disgust you displayed in this post could power Manhattan for a week. I'm sure none of the brainwashed sheep felt antagonized.
But I don't disagree, except to say this: if an alien came down to study a golf swing and his first assertion was that you should drag the handle to optimize launch conditions, I would consider that a more advanced "mistake" in analysis, than if he had thought you should immediately and purposely accelerate the clubhead from the very start of the downswing.
Erik_K
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Thanks Virtu, I take that as a compliment
, but you should see me in real life: my wife says she finds it miraculous that no-one has ever beat the crap out of me. I guess I've just been lucky up till now...Mmm, now that's quite a complex statement bud. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that every fool would think you should accelerate the clubhead from the very start of the downswing, and that just happens to be correct. And that the more intelligent amongst us earthlings would tend to think that lag and drag was really the secret, but that would (in the light of "scientific proof") NOT be the case.
Did I understand you correctly?
Virtuoso
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Thanks Virtu, I take that as a compliment
Mmm, now that's quite a complex statement bud. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that every fool would think you should accelerate the clubhead from the very start of the downswing, and that just happens to be correct. And that the more intelligent amongst us earthlings would tend to think that lag and drag was really the secret, but that would (in the light of "scientific proof") NOT be the case.
Did I understand you correctly?
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dschultz6072
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Clearly a photoshopped picture of Mr. Hogan. That shaft should be leaning forward. SIIIIIIIIIIKE!
Steve Greffen
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I love this thread along with many others. Surely someones has this optimal video angle to view a swing or two to see the path of the cp. Thanks in advance.
Steve
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Steve Greffen
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We might have to call you the most interesting man in the world lol!! (Mr dos equis!!) Just keep coming with the great lines. That and your pretty damn smart yourself!! Hope to see you at the Flightscope convention.
Steve
Hogan's left wrist looks pretty flat to me and that's a foot after impact,the exact location where Wild Bill's would be 45 degrees bent.
And what has the hands moving up through impact got to do with throwing the clubhead or closing the gap.The players that I see with the most upward movement of hands through impact are very narrow coming down.
And what has the hands moving up through impact got to do with throwing the clubhead or closing the gap.The players that I see with the most upward movement of hands through impact are very narrow coming down.
bimyow
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The hands have to move up in order for the right hand to "throw" forward, otherwise you'd be throwing the club into the ground. The harder and faster the throw, the more violent the up has to be. That's how I see it.
Another factor would be whether the golfer is hitting from the top or delaying the hit. Delaying the hit of the right hand further into the downswing would create a more noticeable up move in order to get to 0% FATS (at impact) as compared to someone like Tom Watson who visibly hits from the top.
Once again, I'm no expert. Just processing the info I have in the simplest way I can.
Another factor would be whether the golfer is hitting from the top or delaying the hit. Delaying the hit of the right hand further into the downswing would create a more noticeable up move in order to get to 0% FATS (at impact) as compared to someone like Tom Watson who visibly hits from the top.
Once again, I'm no expert. Just processing the info I have in the simplest way I can.
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One thing that occurs to me: Didn't Hogan down-arch pretty severely coming into impact? So, although his left wrist is still flat past impact, it is nonetheless in the process of bending from a pretty severe bow.
So, the fact that his wrist is flat doesn't debunk the argument that the left wrist can/should be bending through impact or shortly thereafter, and the right wrist straightening. Hogan's position simply looks different than Wild Bill's, for example, because of where he started.
This make any sense to anyone else?
JEREMY5577
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Anyone seen MJ's third video hit youtube yet? He said Wednesday 8pm I believe.
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mgjordan
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What has the hands moving up through impact got to do with throwing the clubhead or closing the gap? That's the WHOLE POINT of this information...not about a flat left wrist. The fact is that all TGM instruction teaches the player to thrust the HANDS AND CLUB down, out, and forward WELL PAST impact. TGM teaches porkchop divots, extreme downward strike, and extreme forward lean. All you have to do is look at a certain TGMer's impact bag videos to see what his intentions are and what his concept of impact is. If you contrast that to all the great strikers, their hands move up and in, the clubhead moves fairly level through impact with a few degrees of downward strike (with an iron), their clubshaft is damn near verticle, and their wrists "throw" through impact just like hitting a baseball, hitting a slap shot, or throwing something. Numerous greats have talked about "skipping a stone" through impact and if you skip a stone or throw a sidearm toss (Hogan) there is certainly no "hold on" and forward/downward thrust of anything. It is a complete, freewheeling release. The fact is that it won't happen by driving anything downard, outward, and forward to any point on the ground. TGM says the "clubhead is in your hands" via pressurepoints. The clubhead is NOT in your hands...it's on the end of a long stick that you are swinging by the grip end. Anytime there is any "hold on" or thrust out through the ball in an attempt to reach some perverted idea of forward lean and flat left wrist there won't be a release, won't be power, and won't be any natural feels that you can repeat consitantly. That's why TGMers all hit low snap hooks and big blocks when they can't time their hold on appropriately. It's also why they can't hit a 3 iron above head high.
bimyow
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The left wrist position at and after impact doesn't matter. You aren't going to get anywhere trying to produce a certain left hand position at impact or after. I believe Brian said that a flat left wrist is simply a moment in time. Perfectly said. It happens, you don't TRY to make it happen.
EDIT: Post above me is right on.
EDIT: Post above me is right on.
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