Because if he doesn't, the clubhead will come crashing on the ground.
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Brian Manzella
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Handle-Dragging (TOO MUCH LINEAR SPEED VS. ANGULAR SPEED) is one of the hardest things to get rid of.
So do you think that is why Chris is/was working on him pivoting his body more through the shot for angular force?
Brian Manzella
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No.
He was taught to do it.
First, in way, by Haney. Then by Sean.
He was taught to do it.
First, in way, by Haney. Then by Sean.
Brian Manzella
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I am talking about angular force from the hands at the club (alpha rotation) vs linear (hand speed).
Don't you think he is handle dragging to avoid steepening the clubhead AoA. When you don't handle drag, isn't it that the left wrist would uncock earlier and more thru impact? Hence you have to set the uncock limit already at setup, grip, etc.?
Makes sense, I agree
Brian Manzella
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He's handle dragging because he was taught to do it—both on purpose and on accident.
If I can do it on my own, surely he can do it with his talent and resources? Maybe none of his coaches really know what causes it.
What I saw of him on at the BO range versus course, on television, was that at the range his swings were much less forceful and less speedy overall. On the course, he then gives 25% more. If he's going to play that way, then maybe, gasp, he needs to alpha release sooner. Ironic I suppose.
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His shoulders are just so steep and so closed coming into the ball.....I just don't know how he (or anyone) can hit it good from there. He's never really been open with the shoulders and has always been on the steep side, but now it's just ridiculous.
Shoulders steep and closed and handle jammed forward...that will put you in the death spiral.....but it is a good way to sacrifice your talent to the compression gods.
Shoulders steep and closed and handle jammed forward...that will put you in the death spiral.....but it is a good way to sacrifice your talent to the compression gods.
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The fix is to straighten his right arm sooner, as in right away from the top, while keeping his right foot on the ground. That's what Butch Harmon taught him to do; so that he could strike the ball before it moved.
Brian Manzella
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Butch also told him that steeper on the downswing would solve the "rights"......it exacerbated them.
Wouldn't that cause his hands to go even further forward? And at same time cause the clubhead to be dumped earlier, thereby making his clubhead even more underplane?
I agree weight should be transferred to right foot (inside) intentionally in backswing, but I think no need to intentionally keep it there in transition? Why not just turn the hips while keeping left shoulder back? That would get him to the slot without dumping the club (and keep the lag without trying to), and right side already bent.
He's just got a crap swing. Everything is out of place. I don't really see the steep shoulders our man in Tibet mentions, but they are pretty closed.
The Bman has a solution but he's keeping it to himself, right Bman?
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The Bman has a solution but he's keeping it to himself, right Bman?
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the steep shoulders are from diving down so much with steep shoulders on backswing and into downswing, has to pop left shoulder straight up to get room and any height on shot.
Surprised no one has addressed the tiger still photos I posted. This is stuff he is currently working on with como
Surprised no one has addressed the tiger still photos I posted. This is stuff he is currently working on with como
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